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This page does not mention his conspiracy theories, or his hate speech.

Contents   [hide]  1 Biased Article 2 Commercial Site 3 Criticisms & Allegations 4 Foreign Sponsorship 5 External Links 6 Citation 4 7 Trolling. 8 Edit request from 119.152.53.94, 6 April 2010 9 is he Mohajir? 10 Pending changes 11 Pranav21391's additions 12 File:Zaid Hamid.jpg Nominated for Deletion 13 Edit request from Abdulmajeedabid, 2 October 2011

[edit]Biased Article

so so so biased, this is full of indian trolls .

Sikhs in the Indian Punjab are secretly Muslims whose allegiance lies with Pakistan -- he never said that 2. The adoption of the gold standard was a Zionist plot 3. Suicide bombers in Pakistan are actually Hindus because they are uncircumcised - no he said fighters in swat during 2009 where uncircumcised and probably hindu 4. The flag of Pakistan will fly atop Delhi Fort very soon - not very soon but one day 5. The nuclear weapons of non-Muslim countries will either become unusable or explode on their own territories -- he never said that 6. The 2008 Mumbai attacks were hatched by “Hindu Zionists” just as the 9/11 attacks were planned by “Western Zionists” --true, he said right wing hindus 7. The dead bodies of Pakistan’s elected leaders will hang on poles in Islamabad, like what was done with Dr Najibullah in Afghanistan -- no he never said that proof ?

this does not meet wikipedia standards and full of rubbish and false attribution — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambelland (talk • contribs) 00:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

[edit]Commercial Site

An editor removed a link to Zaid Hamid's business site. While your point about there not being a need for a link to a commercial site is a good one, in this case it is important. The phrase "so-called security consultant" keeps coming up in media and informal discussion and providing a reference to his security consultancy seems very important in that regard.

I am putting it back.

--iFaqeer (talk) 06:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I was the editor who had removed the link earlier. I think your reasoning is fine, and I don't have any objections over keeping the link. Thanks, Max ^{- You were saying?} 07:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for confirmation.

--iFaqeer (talk) 12:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit]Criticisms & Allegations

I've lost count how many times I've had to remove these sections for the same reasons, so I'm going to explain the reasons here for future reference.

• Firstly, as with all controversial information in Wikipedia biographies of living people, it must be cited. No exceptions.
• The cites must be reliable sources. Self published documents, blogs, forum posts and Youtube videos by non-notable or anonymous people are not reliable sources.
• Citing criticism or allegations means your cite must contain the criticism and/or allegations. Citing something by Hamid himself, and then criticising it on Wikipedia, is not citing criticism. It is merely providing you, the editor, an opportunity to voice your opinions on Hamid. Wikipedia is not the place to do this.

Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Please allow reliable citations on this biography since new information is emerging every day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BewareOFkazaab (talk • contribs) 22:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Zaid Hamid has now admit his links to Yousef Ali (AKA Yousef Kazzab).

This video is partly in English, anyone that speaks Urdu verify the varisity of this video

http://khawerkhan.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/zaid-hamid-admits-links-to-yousef-ali/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.31.139.193 (talk) 02:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

yes, he admits but he never say YOUSUF ALI is KAZZAB(False Prophet) for more detials visit.

http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasirkhan1974 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Foreign Sponsorship

RAW article claims this. Does it refer to ZH? -- Shaheen2010 (talk)

"Operation Chanakya II: Over last few years, R&AW is covertly executing an offensive second phase operation, Chanakya II, which employs a "win trust in disguise, divide and conquer" strategy. While R&AW continues to expand its spy network outreach deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan, paradoxically, this strategy also includes sponsorship of groups that professedly preach a vehemently anti-India, pro-Pakistan, nationalistic ideology to the Pakistani masses [74]. R&AW covertly nurtures media personalities, think-tanks and defense analysis consulting groups in Pakistan who attempt to squarely influence Pakistani popular thinking stoking the anti-establishment sentiment and a foreign invasion paranoia. R&AW assumes that this strategy would raise a new leadership in Pakistan that would first win the trust of the masses, then infiltrate into the corridors of Pakistani political power, and finally work in disguise towards the consolidation of Indian influence on the entire Indus riparian."—Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaheen2010 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, this post has an issue, the very link that presupposes his credibility as a security analyst is based on a reference of an article that exposes him as a charlatan (Fasi Zaka's Hate Speech II article).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.36.162 (talk) 03:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit]External Links

Link to his profile is broken, please fix with http://www.brasstacks.pk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=116&Itemid=57. Also Add his official facebook page to external links:http://www.facebook.com/brasstackspakistan

Thank you --116.71.176.123 (talk) 09:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Citation 4

This is not a valid citation, its just another discussion on a private forum. Please remove --116.71.176.123 (talk) 09:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Done. CIreland (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Please allow edits on the main page. You have deleted in the past verbatim transcription of Zaid's talks supported by video links showing Zaid mentioning the quoted language. I propose that Zaid's comments on important matters are very important to what people make of Zaid, and his personality. Please allow these quotes to be reflected. By not dong so you shall be impinging on the freedom of speech and scholarship, values upheld at Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.128.25 (talk) 15:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we have the option to edit the main page on Zaid Hamid ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ale-xpressed (talk • contribs) 20:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a great deal of unsourced defamatory material has been added in the past to this biography. For this reason, I have restricted editing to autoconfirmed users (i.e. users with accounts older than 4 days and more than 10 edits). If you wish to ask another admin to review this decision, you can make a request at requests for unprotection. CIreland (talk) 20:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Trolling.

"Syed Shaitan Hamid, better known as Zaid Hamid" Could someone please take out 'Shaitan' because it means Satan. I don't believe Wikipedia is a place for trolling. —Preceding unsigned comment added byPakhtunLion (talk • contribs) 06:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for pointing it out. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 13:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Edit request from 119.152.53.94, 6 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

119.152.53.94 (talk) 00:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.BejinhanTalk 02:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

[edit]is he Mohajir?

i heard his family is from delhi originally on one of the youtube comments sexion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.246.119 (talk) 07:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Pending changes

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Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

[edit]Pranav21391's additions

I've cleaned up most of Pranav21391's recent additions and would like to explain why;

• Cites from personal blogs are not acceptable reliable sources. Anyone at all is free to start a blog on their thoughts on Hamid, that does not mean Wikipedia should report them.
• The problems with citing content from YouTube videos are threefold

1. Firstly they are not in English, so reader may have no way of verifying what is said in the article is what is said on the video.
2. Secondly, the video's uploader is an unknown, unreliable source. We have no way of knowing if it has been altered or is not what it claims to be.
3. Thirdly, using a video as a source inevitably means cherry-picking, analysis and interpretation of its content. This is original research that may be biased.

• The additions were framed in original analysis and unsourced opinions of Hamid's views. It is not up to Wikipedia to decide if they are false, or show a "war-mongering attitude".

That is not to say that Hamid's views on these things are not relevant. If you can find reliable sources that cover them, and can add them to the article without adding your own thoughts and analysis of how wrong he is, then please do. Remember the purpose of adding them to the article should be to inform the reader, not to criticize Hamid. If reported accurately and neutrally, with good sources, the reader can reach their own decision.

Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 10:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

[edit]File:Zaid Hamid.jpg Nominated for Deletion

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[edit]Edit request from Abdulmajeedabid, 2 October 2011

Recently, a number of articles have been written on Viewpointonline.net an online newspaper, in which Zaid Hamid's work in the program "Iqbal ka Pakistan" has been critically analysed. These articles should be made part of this entry so that people can get a balanced view of his personalit

Syed Zaid Hamid information

Syed Zaid Hamid all information.

Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid Urdu: سید زید الزمان حامد
Born	March 14, 1964 (age 48)
Residence	Rawalpindi
Nationality	Pakistan
Other names	Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid
Occupation	Security Consultant & Political commentator
Known for	BrassTacks TV Series & Leader: Takmeel-e-Pakistan Movement
Religion	Islam

Syed Zaid Hamid Wikipedia

Zaid Hamid

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Contents   [hide]  1 Early life and education 2 Political views 3 Criticism 4 References 5 External links

Syed Zaiduzzaman Hamid, better known as Zaid Hamid, is a Pakistani security consultant and political commentator.^[1][2] His byline in newspaper articles has been Zaid Zaman.^[2]

Early life and education

Zaid was born in Karachi, in 1964. His father, Col. Zaman Hamid (Retd), served in the Pakistan Army. Zaid spent his early life in Karachi. He received a Bachelor of Engineering (BE) degree in Computer Systems Engineering from NED University, Karachi in 1980's.^[3]

Political views

Through his TV programmes, Hamid has claimed that a nexus between India's RAW, the CIA and is responsible for the destabilization of Pakistan. He also claims that the November 2008 Mumbai attacks, were part of a plan hatched by "Hindu Zionists"", and that it was an attempt by the Indians to stage an attack just like the Americans executed theSeptember 11 attacks.^[1][2][4][3]

Criticism

A number of noted Pakistani journalists, writers and Islamic scholars^[5] have criticized Hamid and have described his views on politics and security as conspiracy theories.^[6][7][8][9]

Syed Zaid Hamid Inside Story ( secret Nato & U.S report blame ISI ) - Aljazeera

Syed Zaid Hamid Inside Story ( secret Nato & U.S report blame ISI ) - Aljazeera

Posted by asif shah at | 2:35 PM 

liars caught once again.You will note that a massive coordinated attack has been launched against Pakistan army and ISI in global media.A strategic triangle whose sides are in India, Israel and the American participants in the single goal of destroying the last stronghold of Pakistan's strong in the Muslim world.

Full version

ISI aiding Afghan militants: Nato(Blame Game)

LONDON  - Pakistan’s security services are secretly aiding Afghanistan’s Taliban, who assume their victory is inevitable once Western troops leave, a secret NATO document says, according to reports Wednesday.Lieutenant Colonel Jimmie Cummings, a spokesman for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, confirmed the existence of the document, reported by Britain’s Times newspaper and the BBC.But he said it was not a strategic study. “The classified document in question is a compilation of Taliban detainee opinions and ideals but clearly should not be used as any interpretation of campaign progress,” he said. “It’s not an analysis, nor is it meant to be considered an analysis.” The leaked report was compiled from information gleaned from insurgent detainees and was given to NATO commanders in Afghanistan last month, the media reports said.The “State of the Taliban” document claims that Islamabad, via Pakistan’s ISI intelligence agency, is “intimately involved” with the insurgency.The BBC said the report was based on material from 27,000 interrogations of more than 4,000 captured Taliban and Al-Qaeda operatives.“Pakistan’s manipulation of the Taliban senior leadership continues unabatedly,” the report was quoted as saying.Taliban captives revealed how Islamabad was using a web of intermediaries and spies to provide strategic advice to the Taliban on fighting Western coalition troops.“The government of Pakistan remains intimately involved with the Taliban,” the report said.“ISI is thoroughly aware of Taliban activities and the whereabouts of senior Taliban personnel. Senior Taliban leaders meet regularly with ISI personnel, who advise on strategy and relay any pertinent concerns of the government of Pakistan.“ISI officers tout the need for continued jihad and expulsion of foreign invaders from Afghanistan.”However, there was little evidence from the detainees that Islamabad was providing funding or weaponry.Kabul, which accuses Islamabad of supporting the 10-year Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan, put relations on ice after the September murder of its peace envoy Burhanuddin Rabbani, which one Afghan minister blamed on Pakistani spies.The Times quoted the report as saying the Taliban’s “strength, motivation, funding and tactical proficiency remains intact”, despite setbacks in 2011.“Many Afghans are already bracing themselves for an eventual return of the Taliban,” it said.“Once (NATO force) ISAF is no longer a factor, Taliban consider their victory inevitable.”The US Department of Defense said it could not comment on the report but set out its fears about Pakistan and its influence in Afghanistan.“We have not seen the report, and therefore cannot offer comment on it specifically,” Pentagon spokesman George Little told AFP.“We have long been concerned about ties between elements of the ISI and some extremist networks.”US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta “has also been clear that he believes that the safe havens in Pakistan remain a serious problem and need to be addressed by Pakistani authorities.”The report said there had been unprecedented interest in joining the Taliban cause in 2011 - even from members of the Afghan government.“Afghan civilians frequently prefer Taliban governance over the Afghan government, usually as a result of government corruption,” it was reported as saying.It said the Taliban were deliberately going soft in some areas to encourage NATO troops to leave faster, while doing local deals with the Afghan forces who take over.Some in the Afghan security forces collaborated with the Taliban, selling arms and sharing intelligence, the report said.The Times, in an editorial, said Pakistan was “actively hindering reconciliation” between the Taliban and Kabul with a “systematic effort” to destabilise President Hamid Karzai’s government.“The ISI emerges from this document looking considerably more villainous, even, than the Taliban itself,” it said.Meanwhile, Pakistan on Wednesday hit out angrily at a leaked NATO report accusing its spies of secretly aiding the Afghan Taliban. “This is frivolous, to put it mildly. We are committed to non-interference in Afghanistan and expect all other states to strictly adhere to this principle,” foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Basit told AFP.A senior security official condemned the leak, as reported by the BBC, which also broadcast a documentary “Secret Pakistan” last year accusing parts of Pakistan’s intelligence service of complicity with Taliban militants. “The report is not available, leaks not worth commenting,” he told AFP.“We are also committed to an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned reconciliation process,” foreign ministry spokesman said.Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar who is visiting Kabul has dismissed the NATO report, saying it can be “disregarded.”“We can disregard this as a potentially strategic leak... This is old wine in an even older bottle,” she told reporters in Kabul.The leaked NATO report overshadowed a fence-mending visit by Khar to Kabul.The leak came as spectacularly bad timing for the one-day visit, which was aimed at thawing frosty ties between the two neighbours, blighted by mutual accusations over the violence in both countries.Later, Nato insisted that the Taliban have been weakened as the alliance downplayed the impact of a leaked report showing the insurgents confident of victory once Western combat troops leave in 2014.“The Taliban have suffered tremendous setbacks on the battlefield in the last year, and we know that they’ve lost a lot of ground and they’ve lost a lot of leaders,” NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu told reporters in Brussels.Support for the Taliban is also “at an all-time low,” she said, adding that Afghan security forces, which are meant to take over from NATO troops by the end of 2014, are “getting stronger and more capable every day.”The spokeswoman said she would not comment on a classified document but she added that it was “basically a summary” of statements made by Taliban detainees during interrogations.“So it’s what they think or what they would like us to believe they think,” she said on the eve of a two-day meeting of NATO defence ministers in Brussels.

Pakistan Denies Leaked Report’s Claim of Alliance with Taliban

Pakistani warplanes bombarded Taliban hideouts in Peshawar. Pakistan dismissed renewed accusations that elements of the Pakistani government are aiding the insurgency in Afghanistan, claims made in a leaked  U.S. military report on the war.

“It seems to be a report that is detached from reality,” said Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Basit. “Pakistan’s commitment to end the insurgency along the Pak-Afghan border has been very strong over the years and we had to pay a very high price for that. Thousands of our soldiers and civilians have lost their lives in the fight against militancy.”

The leaked document was reported to have been based on interviews with some 4,000 detainees at Bagram airbase, allegedly members of the Taliban or al-Qaeda as well as civilians. Bagram is well known as a Guantánamo-like base for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. 

As Pakistani officials were out denying any ties with Afghan insurgents and Taliban leaders, Pakistani warplanes bombarded militant hideouts in the northwestern tribal area of Peshawar early Wednesday morning, killing at least 20 Taliban insurgents, according to Pakistani officials.

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