Syed Zaid Hamid Talk

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This page does not mention his conspiracy theories, or his hate speech.

Contents   [hide]  1 Biased Article 2 Commercial Site 3 Criticisms & Allegations 4 Foreign Sponsorship 5 External Links 6 Citation 4 7 Trolling. 8 Edit request from 119.152.53.94, 6 April 2010 9 is he Mohajir? 10 Pending changes 11 Pranav21391's additions 12 File:Zaid Hamid.jpg Nominated for Deletion 13 Edit request from Abdulmajeedabid, 2 October 2011

[edit]Biased Article

so so so biased, this is full of indian trolls .

Sikhs in the Indian Punjab are secretly Muslims whose allegiance lies with Pakistan -- he never said that 2. The adoption of the gold standard was a Zionist plot 3. Suicide bombers in Pakistan are actually Hindus because they are uncircumcised - no he said fighters in swat during 2009 where uncircumcised and probably hindu 4. The flag of Pakistan will fly atop Delhi Fort very soon - not very soon but one day 5. The nuclear weapons of non-Muslim countries will either become unusable or explode on their own territories -- he never said that 6. The 2008 Mumbai attacks were hatched by “Hindu Zionists” just as the 9/11 attacks were planned by “Western Zionists” --true, he said right wing hindus 7. The dead bodies of Pakistan’s elected leaders will hang on poles in Islamabad, like what was done with Dr Najibullah in Afghanistan -- no he never said that proof ?

this does not meet wikipedia standards and full of rubbish and false attribution — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambelland (talk • contribs) 00:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

[edit]Commercial Site

An editor removed a link to Zaid Hamid's business site. While your point about there not being a need for a link to a commercial site is a good one, in this case it is important. The phrase "so-called security consultant" keeps coming up in media and informal discussion and providing a reference to his security consultancy seems very important in that regard.

I am putting it back.

--iFaqeer (talk) 06:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I was the editor who had removed the link earlier. I think your reasoning is fine, and I don't have any objections over keeping the link. Thanks, Max ^{- You were saying?} 07:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for confirmation.

--iFaqeer (talk) 12:32, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit]Criticisms & Allegations

I've lost count how many times I've had to remove these sections for the same reasons, so I'm going to explain the reasons here for future reference.

• Firstly, as with all controversial information in Wikipedia biographies of living people, it must be cited. No exceptions.
• The cites must be reliable sources. Self published documents, blogs, forum posts and Youtube videos by non-notable or anonymous people are not reliable sources.
• Citing criticism or allegations means your cite must contain the criticism and/or allegations. Citing something by Hamid himself, and then criticising it on Wikipedia, is not citing criticism. It is merely providing you, the editor, an opportunity to voice your opinions on Hamid. Wikipedia is not the place to do this.

Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Please allow reliable citations on this biography since new information is emerging every day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BewareOFkazaab (talk • contribs) 22:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Zaid Hamid has now admit his links to Yousef Ali (AKA Yousef Kazzab).

This video is partly in English, anyone that speaks Urdu verify the varisity of this video

http://khawerkhan.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/zaid-hamid-admits-links-to-yousef-ali/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.31.139.193 (talk) 02:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

yes, he admits but he never say YOUSUF ALI is KAZZAB(False Prophet) for more detials visit.

http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasirkhan1974 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Foreign Sponsorship

RAW article claims this. Does it refer to ZH? -- Shaheen2010 (talk)

"Operation Chanakya II: Over last few years, R&AW is covertly executing an offensive second phase operation, Chanakya II, which employs a "win trust in disguise, divide and conquer" strategy. While R&AW continues to expand its spy network outreach deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan, paradoxically, this strategy also includes sponsorship of groups that professedly preach a vehemently anti-India, pro-Pakistan, nationalistic ideology to the Pakistani masses [74]. R&AW covertly nurtures media personalities, think-tanks and defense analysis consulting groups in Pakistan who attempt to squarely influence Pakistani popular thinking stoking the anti-establishment sentiment and a foreign invasion paranoia. R&AW assumes that this strategy would raise a new leadership in Pakistan that would first win the trust of the masses, then infiltrate into the corridors of Pakistani political power, and finally work in disguise towards the consolidation of Indian influence on the entire Indus riparian."—Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaheen2010 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, this post has an issue, the very link that presupposes his credibility as a security analyst is based on a reference of an article that exposes him as a charlatan (Fasi Zaka's Hate Speech II article).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.36.162 (talk) 03:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit]External Links

Link to his profile is broken, please fix with http://www.brasstacks.pk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=116&Itemid=57. Also Add his official facebook page to external links:http://www.facebook.com/brasstackspakistan

Thank you --116.71.176.123 (talk) 09:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Citation 4

This is not a valid citation, its just another discussion on a private forum. Please remove --116.71.176.123 (talk) 09:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Done. CIreland (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Please allow edits on the main page. You have deleted in the past verbatim transcription of Zaid's talks supported by video links showing Zaid mentioning the quoted language. I propose that Zaid's comments on important matters are very important to what people make of Zaid, and his personality. Please allow these quotes to be reflected. By not dong so you shall be impinging on the freedom of speech and scholarship, values upheld at Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.128.25 (talk) 15:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we have the option to edit the main page on Zaid Hamid ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ale-xpressed (talk • contribs) 20:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a great deal of unsourced defamatory material has been added in the past to this biography. For this reason, I have restricted editing to autoconfirmed users (i.e. users with accounts older than 4 days and more than 10 edits). If you wish to ask another admin to review this decision, you can make a request at requests for unprotection. CIreland (talk) 20:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Trolling.

"Syed Shaitan Hamid, better known as Zaid Hamid" Could someone please take out 'Shaitan' because it means Satan. I don't believe Wikipedia is a place for trolling. —Preceding unsigned comment added byPakhtunLion (talk • contribs) 06:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for pointing it out. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 13:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Edit request from 119.152.53.94, 6 April 2010

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119.152.53.94 (talk) 00:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.BejinhanTalk 02:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

[edit]is he Mohajir?

i heard his family is from delhi originally on one of the youtube comments sexion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.246.119 (talk) 07:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

[edit]Pending changes

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Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

[edit]Pranav21391's additions

I've cleaned up most of Pranav21391's recent additions and would like to explain why;

• Cites from personal blogs are not acceptable reliable sources. Anyone at all is free to start a blog on their thoughts on Hamid, that does not mean Wikipedia should report them.
• The problems with citing content from YouTube videos are threefold

1. Firstly they are not in English, so reader may have no way of verifying what is said in the article is what is said on the video.
2. Secondly, the video's uploader is an unknown, unreliable source. We have no way of knowing if it has been altered or is not what it claims to be.
3. Thirdly, using a video as a source inevitably means cherry-picking, analysis and interpretation of its content. This is original research that may be biased.

• The additions were framed in original analysis and unsourced opinions of Hamid's views. It is not up to Wikipedia to decide if they are false, or show a "war-mongering attitude".

That is not to say that Hamid's views on these things are not relevant. If you can find reliable sources that cover them, and can add them to the article without adding your own thoughts and analysis of how wrong he is, then please do. Remember the purpose of adding them to the article should be to inform the reader, not to criticize Hamid. If reported accurately and neutrally, with good sources, the reader can reach their own decision.

Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 10:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

[edit]File:Zaid Hamid.jpg Nominated for Deletion

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[edit]Edit request from Abdulmajeedabid, 2 October 2011

Recently, a number of articles have been written on Viewpointonline.net an online newspaper, in which Zaid Hamid's work in the program "Iqbal ka Pakistan" has been critically analysed. These articles should be made part of this entry so that people can get a balanced view of his personalit